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#4332714 - 08/16/10 Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle?  
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Forgive me in advance... I literally stumbled across this website and it is my last resort trying to find info about this rifle.

I believe it is an early 1900's (1908-1920?) Savage.22 plinking rifle, SLLR, detachable magazine, original stock, some pitting, some tiny rust spots. It has been in a leather gun case in my attic for several years. It has marks on it that say Savage Arms, Utica, NY, patent 1908 and the number 6618 ( I think!) on it.

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I have no idea what to do with this rifle. Is there a market for it? Is it trash?

Thanks in advance for any help, and my apologies if this is not the correct place to ask.

Missy


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#4332804 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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Missy, Could you tell us how this gun works? I mean it is a bolt action or a pump? And measure how long the barrel is, just to give us a better idea about what the gun looks like.


#4332833 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: 303mike]  
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Missy, How do you know it was made for.22 SLLR?


#4332899 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: 303mike]  
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Let's see- pump to the best of my knowledge, which is limited at best. The barrel measures approximately 24 inches, but I am not exactly where to start the measurements. I am feeling a little out of my element. I just took some pictures but have not been very successful in attaching them. I will check out the FAQ and try and post the pics here in a little bit. Thanks all! M.



#4332916 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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here are 3 more pics


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#4332940 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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It is stamped on the magazine SLLR


#4332965 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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I cannot get good shots of the magazine, but best I can determine, it is stamped:

22 S L LR ( and there may be a W between the L and LR?)

SAVAGE ARMS COMPANY

PAT-APRIL 28, 1908

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#4332971 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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Good job on the pics, Missy. Hold on to your hat a while and someone will be around and tell you more than you probably want to know.
BTW, just because the magazine says SLLR doesn't necessarily mean that thre rifle will shoot all three. In case you don't know, the letters stand for.22 short,.22 long, and.22 long rifle...s-l-lr.

Brian


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#4332987 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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Missy - It's an model 1903, a very early version with a longer pistol grip than later versions, I would say it's first year production so the 1908 magazine, although factory, is newer than the gun. The forearm is from 1914 or later, this could have occured if the gun had been factory rebarreled after 1914, I have info on one that was rebarreld in the 20's and has the longer forearm. It's also possible that the front half of a later rifle was put on the older rear, take out the magazine and look in the magazine well - the serial number on the other half of the reciever should be visable to check for this.

What is the exact stamping on the Barrel? Also look to see it there is a unused or plugged dove-tail farther back under the forearm, this could help answer if it had been rebarreled or not.

Gene



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#4333027 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: GeneB]  
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Thanks Brian and Gene. That helps alot. I am confused about the 6618 number stamped on the gun. If it is a 1903 model- does that number refer to the year and if so, what is the 6618 about?

That's pretty interesting about the part about it being rebarreled, with a newer front half and older back half, especially since the date on the magazine matches neither.

I'm gonna have to hit the hay pretty quick and will check to see what others chime in with, but do of you have any clue about whether or not there is a market for this gun? It is definitely for sale. I am not a collector nor an enthusiast. I have one rifle I shoot once a year, and if all goes well, there's some deer jerky that follows.

Thanks again for your help!

Missy


#4333113 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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The 6618 is the serial number - it's low so that's why I say it was made in 1903. That number should also be on the other half of the receiver (the guns a takedown and splits apart) - the number on the other half is what I said to look for in the magazine well.

Gene


#4333319 - 08/16/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: GeneB]  
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Thanks again Gene! I will attempt to take it down unless it fails to give and starts making me nervous. smile I know it is not a pricey gun but I still think my nephew might enjoy it and I don't want to mess anything up!

It makes me giggle on the inside... I think the only thing I really learned from Antiques Roadshow was not to try and clean anything to make it look pretty or see a serial number. It may not have increased the value but at least I have not scrubbed it to a sparkling shine. Or painted it pink.

Really glad I found this sight. Thanks for teaching me how to provide the right information and get an answer on a topic I was foreign to. I REALLY did not want to have to go ask the pawn shop guy.


#4340133 - 08/19/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Missy6310]  
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The "pawn shop guy" may or may not be totally honest with you. A good many pawn-brokers ARE pretty honest... if they wanna keep their customers, they have to be!!! But there's also some pretty grimy characters who own or work in pawn shops... I've seen BOTH kinds.

You're far better off to get your information here (if possible)... or from a qualified gunsmith.

My greatest concern is for your (or whom ever you sell the rifle to) safety in shooting the old rifle. Chances are it is safe, but to insure you're not giving a friend or selling it to someone that will result in their being injured or hurt, I'd recommend you have a qualified gunsmith check the little rifle out to insure it is safe to shoot.

I say this because I seem to recall something about Savage making a change in the quality and strength of the steel they used in centerfire gun barrels (and possibly in their rimfire rifle barrels as well) around 1914 or 1915. If your rifle pre-dates those years, then I'd be a little "suspect" of its strength and "use-ability".

On the other hand, the rifle may be perfectly SAFE to shoot. I'd recommend you or whom ever you give or sell it shoot ONLY.22 Long Rifle cartridges in the rifle. While the rifle's chamber will accept all three of the standard.22 rimfire cartridges (i.e., the "short", "long" and "long rifle"), it's obvious that the rifle's chamber is best served with the "long rifle" cartridge because the other two cartridges (the "short" and "long") are shorter than the "long rifle" cartridge and, as a result, if they are fired in a long rifle chamber, their bullets must "jump" forward into the mouth of the chamber before engaging the barrel's lands and grooves (those spiral things in the barrel). The lands & grooves puts the "spin" on the bullet making it flying more accurately to the target.

It is like when throwing a football, the spiraling motion imparted by the rifle's lands & grooves stabilizes the elongated football-like bullet and makes it much easier to shoot ("throw") the bullet ("the football") to a specific spot. It is the same physics with either a football or a bullet which is elongated like a football. The spiraling motion stabilizes the football (or bullet) and causes it to fly to the "target" more accurately.

Anyway, as a result of this "bullet jump" if firing either the "short" or "long" cartridges in the long rifle chamber, the shorter cartridge's bullets tend to "shave off" parts of their bullet-lead which are deposited on the rear edges of the throat of the chamber. Eventually, these deposits will cause the chamber's throat to become too "restricted" or blocked with that "shaved-off" lead to allow a long rifle bullet (and, as a result, the long rifle cartridge) to be seated in the rifle's chamber.

These lead "deposits" can be easily cleaned out with a copper brush on a ramrod, but this situation can be avoided if you don't shoot anything but long rifle cartridges in the rifle.

In any event... for safety's sake, I'd recommend you have a qualified gunsmith check the little rifle out before doing anything with it. He/she may also be able to advise you as to the rifle's value if you decide to sell it rather than give it to a friend or relative. smile

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#4344842 - 08/21/10 Re: Can anyone help me with an early 1900's Savage.22 plinking rifle? [Re: Ron_T]  
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I would just add to what Ron has stated regarding shooting the 1903 rifle; use standard or target velocity ammunition. 1080 fps and no more. This rifle was designed and built before the higher speed 22 ammo was developed.

Do have a gunsmith look at it, even if you don't shoot it. No telling where it will land next.


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Sorry I am late to the party.

Taking down these rifles is not terribly difficult, just be aware that the bolt is going to slide out (and possibly the firing pin, I'm trying to remember).

While its apart, it would be a good time to make sure the extractor and ejector are intact. The extractor is embedeed in the bolt and has a hook at the end that catches the rim of the shell and helps pull it out of the chamber. I bring this up because I had a very early one that had a broken extractor.

The ejector should be visible on the wall of the receiver behind the bolt opposite the ejection port. Its job is to kick the shell out of the action when you move the pump back.

Having the gun apart is also a good time to check the condition of the bore and other things. This is more GeneBs joint than mine.

I would highly recommend obtaining a Savage "Factory Letter" (info is in this forum someplace), especially if you plan to keep this rifle and pass it down. It will give you its exact date of manufacture, the original consignee (who first ordered from the factory) and possibly any information on it coming back for repairs.

These are fun little rifles, glad you found this place.



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